tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post2240752416537969674..comments2024-03-27T00:26:19.644+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: How The Intelligent Designer WorksRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-79856007902500280402013-05-06T10:38:07.227+01:002013-05-06T10:38:07.227+01:00> but I do get the impression that you are '...> but I do get the impression that you are 'judging' and mocking him (the 'Intelligent Designer') in this post <<br /><br />Then I'm afraid the misconception is yours. I am very clearly satirising the idea of an intelligent designer and the beliefs of those who try to fill gaps in their knowledge with gods.<br /><br />I doubt that many others were under the impression that I was mocking a being that I very clearly don't believe in.<br /><br />>and leave them to their own beliefs.<<br /><br />Because leaving them to their own beliefs is leaving them free to abuse children with lies for money and free to keep political control over us and to establish a fundamentalist Taliban-style Christian theocracy. I'm surprised you either didn't know that was wrong or are unconcerned about it. See <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-creationists-lie-to-us.html" rel="nofollow">Why Creationists Lie To Us.</a> <br /><br />Lying to children and so denying them the pleasure of really understanding the world they live in is wrong, as is imposing a religion on people by force and taking human culture back to the primitive tribal laws of the Bronze Age simply to serve the power and greed ambitions of a small unelected clique. Only someone who knows they are pushing a lie for reasons they are too embarrassed to admit publicly would feel threatened by facts and reason.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-4473901860920673722013-05-06T08:56:53.563+01:002013-05-06T08:56:53.563+01:00Yes, I understand that this is essentially what yo...Yes, I understand that this is essentially what you are trying to argue with your whole blog, but I was really just trying to outline a misconception that both sides tend to forget, and that the issue shouldn't be argued on because it makes both sides look bad. This issue would be similar to a creationist saying how silly it is that evolutionists think we came from 'chimpanzees' - which is a widespread misconception that they have, and is obviously not what evolutionists think at all. I know you're judging the claims made by Christians etc., because you so adamantly profess that God doesn't exist in your blog, but I do get the impression that you are 'judging' and mocking him (the 'Intelligent Designer') in this post - for example "But then the Intelligent Designer realised its plan had hit another snag". It does come across as very condescending in this post. But anyways...<br />Just curious though, not sure if you've addressed it somewhere, but what is the main purpose of this blog in particular? I just want to know why someone who so adamantly rejects the notion of a 'God' would take the time and effort to refute claims by Christians/other religious parties (which are obviously so unfounded and silly to you) when you could just shrug it off and leave them to their own beliefs. I understand that this blog aims to look at 'Religion and politics from the point of view of a centre-left atheist humanist, spilling over into science, history and other related topics' and is just a forum for discussion regarding these issues. But it still seems like a lot of effort. What do you get out of it? I'm not trying to argue or be demeaning in anyway, I'm just genuinely interested, I like discovering why people think what they think. So what do you get out if it and why does this topic interest you? If you've talked about it somewhere, send me the link if you want. maddybelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09827375216751112836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-736526576636620842013-05-06T00:26:54.085+01:002013-05-06T00:26:54.085+01:00We're not judging 'God'. We're jud...We're not judging 'God'. We're judging the claims made by those who try to fill gaps in their knowledge with imaginary gods and insist we do the same.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-28959230452879753162013-05-05T21:43:10.925+01:002013-05-05T21:43:10.925+01:00I understand that, but what I'm trying to say,...I understand that, but what I'm trying to say, is that if you're making an argument against the issue of 'intelligent design' which comes from Christians/Creationists, you have to take into account what else they are saying (that we are living in a fallen world). I think BOTH Christians and Atheists should not argue the issue of 'intelligent design' because the Christians SHOULD understand that we are living in a fallen world and the creation we see is not what it was intended to be (if they are going by what the bible says). All I'm saying is that we can't judge God on what we see now as his creation. I'm not trying to prove God exists, I'm just saying 'hypothetically' if God DID create the world, and the biblical account is true, then we shouldn't judge him on what we see now, going by what it says. I just think both sides are forgetting this point when arguing about it, so I think it's a pointless topic and makes both sides look a little silly. We're arguing about a misconception.maddybelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09827375216751112836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-23437072206827462422013-05-05T12:47:31.213+01:002013-05-05T12:47:31.213+01:00I'm afraid your superstition is not a scientif...I'm afraid your superstition is not a scientific argument. Of course is disagrees with science; this is how we know your superstition is wrong.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-13830892866354949592013-05-05T11:34:00.652+01:002013-05-05T11:34:00.652+01:00A lot of these arguments against 'Intelligent ...A lot of these arguments against 'Intelligent Design' saying that these things aren't 'intelligent' for reasons mentioned above and in other posts forget to take into account (coming from a Christian and Biblical perspective) that we are living in a fallen and sinful world, and that this isn't the same world that existed and was meant to exist pre-sin. I'm not saying anything Biblical can be proven, but hypothetically, it's pointless to talk about these issues regarding 'bad design' when this world we are living in now (going from the Biblical account) is marred by sin. If this is the Christian argument, that we are living in a world marred by sin, of course there are going to be things in creation that seem silly, useless or bad coming from a God who supposedly designed these things. I think both Christians and Atheists forget this point. 'Hypothetically', when God first created the world, it was perfect, all systems in balance with no 'bad stuff'. It's hard to imagine a world like that now because we've never experienced it. But yeah, just a thought. If you're trying to show Christians that their so called 'Intelligent Designer' is unintelligent, then maybe this angle is not the best way, because the world we are living in now is not the intended world God had prepared for us, and things (systems and creatures) living in it now didn't exist in the same state that they do today. If these things did exist prior to 'the fall', then I suppose the argument would be valid, and we obviously can't prove or ever know that, but we do get a picture in Genesis that the earth was cursed and things changed after that. What I've said probably brings up many other things that you'd like to refute, but what do you think regarding this point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-22316988381343001302013-04-15T00:47:32.822+01:002013-04-15T00:47:32.822+01:00Fascinating.
K P Spong.Fascinating. <br />K P Spong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com