tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post5405992484883590629..comments2024-03-27T00:26:19.644+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Religion Kills [Updated]Rosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-77641360906826697552013-12-30T12:39:28.478+00:002013-12-30T12:39:28.478+00:00Shared on www.facebook.com/RespectExistenceShared on www.facebook.com/RespectExistenceZeitguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10406899024058809157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-47759666715890411312013-11-06T08:33:06.474+00:002013-11-06T08:33:06.474+00:00I have an article about the Taiping Rebellion here...I have an article about the Taiping Rebellion <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-heavenly-peace-of-jesus.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />As you can see, the inspiration for it, and for the massacres on both sides, was religion.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-23552726102896221912013-11-06T05:37:24.730+00:002013-11-06T05:37:24.730+00:00To be fair, the Qing Government and the foreigners...To be fair, the Qing Government and the foreigners were just as responsible for those deaths. Yes, it was a rebellion, but the Qing dynasty was failing, the poor were inadequately taken care of, officials were disaffected and unable to rise to government positions, and the Opium Wars had just occurred, straining the Qing treasury even more.<br /><br />Hong Xiuquan, for the most part, avoided massacres, looting, raping, etc., and actually got a lot of the people on his side as a result. There were the occasional massacre, and the massacres against them, but a LOT of the deaths came from battlefield casualties and the starvation from lack of supplies, starvation, and constant turmoil. They tried hard to get foreigners on their side in the attack on Shanghai, then got bombarded with cannons from ships.<br /><br />I just studied the subject, and really, it's quite more complex than you might think.Solus Lupushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18061221424467471805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-66358657578109953162013-02-09T11:10:52.788+00:002013-02-09T11:10:52.788+00:00> it seems a little disingenuous to include mur...> it seems a little disingenuous to include murders OF the religious by the non-religious and not make it clear. <br /><br />What did you find confusing in the words: "The Khmer Rouge regime under Pol Pot, attempting to introduce a primitive form of agrarian Communism, killed 25,000 Buddhists in an attempt to eradicate Buddhism."?<br /><br />This was included for balance and specifically because it was the only example I could find of a genocide actually being carried out to further Atheism as opposed to furthering the ambitions of a despot who also happened to be Atheist and so was just as likely to kill other Atheists as to kill religious people.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-9476334176999489532013-02-09T09:38:00.305+00:002013-02-09T09:38:00.305+00:00I'm afraid that your figure for the Khmer Roug...I'm afraid that your figure for the Khmer Rouge genocide is way off. It is actually estimated to be 1.7 million if you include starvation and forced labour: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15814519<br /><br />Also, it seems a little disingenuous to include murders OF the religious by the non-religious and not make it clear. The Khmer Rouge were operating according to an extreme communist and atheistic ideology. I'm glad that you included this, as it is fair, but it is one of the few items of data that does not support your case, so I think you should make that clear. We atheists should not fall into the same dogmatic blindness as the religious when they seize only upon facts that support their argument and ignore those that don't.<br /><br />Hope this has been helpfulLeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-33874190415607727222012-12-16T05:49:52.122+00:002012-12-16T05:49:52.122+00:00Let's not forget the 150,000 people killed as ...Let's not forget the 150,000 people killed as human sacrifices for countless centuries for the Mayans & the millions also killed as blood sacrifices for the Hindu god Kali!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03491292035324571800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-10761831764762475012012-11-26T17:19:51.631+00:002012-11-26T17:19:51.631+00:00(Understandably) Anonymous
Not all the Jews murde...(Understandably) Anonymous<br /><br />Not all the Jews murdered by the Nazis were German. In fact, most weren't, which is why I used the term 'European Jews' and not 'German Jews'.<br /><br />Yes. Hitler was a devout Catholic Christian, as a few moment on Google will show.<br /><br />You're going to have to be more creative if you want to deny the Holocaust in a way which will fool anyone with an IQ above that of a very thick plank, and can you do it elsewhere, please. <br /><br /><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-59478667064064963342012-11-26T05:59:13.440+00:002012-11-26T05:59:13.440+00:00Can you cite a source for the Catholic Church'...Can you cite a source for the Catholic Church's official position of the Nazi's doing god's work? I've read a fair amount about Pope Pius' weaselly actions during WWII, but I've never seen this claimed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-27209822174646581992012-11-11T12:54:53.381+00:002012-11-11T12:54:53.381+00:00To be fair, these deserve subclassification.
Some...To be fair, these deserve subclassification.<br /><br />Some of these are directly and blatantly inspired by religion ("kill them all. god will recognize his own").<br />Some seem to have used religion merely as an excuse for massacres with straightforward material/political motivations. (And there's a lot of "We massacred the neighbors" in history.)<br />Some seem to have used religion as a method of getting troops to comply with massacres which, for the bosses, had clear material/political motivations. (And there's a lot of "We massacred the neighboring country" in history.)<br />Some were based in ideologies where people will argue about whether they were religions (I agree that they are religions, but people will argue).<br /><br />Religion still has a pernicious effect in all cases, of course. Without the ideology, the mass murderers have to admit "Yeah, we massacred them in order to take their stuff," or "because we don't like them", or "because we think they're gonna massacre us if we don't do it first". Sometimes mass murderers do admit that sort of stuff outright, but there's usually social disapproval. Religion is used to suppress the social disapproval reaction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-57095861711356998052012-10-24T20:57:53.118+01:002012-10-24T20:57:53.118+01:00I should learn to read more fully.I should learn to read more fully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-52427010265324110252012-10-24T18:37:42.431+01:002012-10-24T18:37:42.431+01:00It looks like you are saying that the Nazis killed...It looks like you are saying that the Nazis killed 11 million folks in addition to 6 million Jews. I had always been under the impression it was 11 million total when you add the other groups to the Jews killed by the Nazis. northierthanthouhttp://northierthanthou.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-50941676307946746032012-10-23T23:23:52.586+01:002012-10-23T23:23:52.586+01:00My list says only that the Drogheda garrison was m...My list says only that the Drogheda garrison was massacred together with some 700-800 civilians, not the entire civilian population of the town. That doesn't seem to be disputed. The original source for this was "A History Of Ireland" by Robert Key, as I reference in first article of the series on Irish History, of which the article linked to forms a part.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-65591793690616735482012-10-23T20:54:15.097+01:002012-10-23T20:54:15.097+01:00This isn't the article I first read, but it go...This isn't the article I first read, but it goes over the main points.<br />http://www.historytoday.com/tom-reilly/cromwell-irish-questionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-79864334809678892262012-10-23T20:43:25.410+01:002012-10-23T20:43:25.410+01:00I've been trying to remember where the article...I've been trying to remember where the article was, will try to get back later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-79547925536000631212012-10-22T23:19:36.694+01:002012-10-22T23:19:36.694+01:00Here's a citation you might like:
"Being...Here's a citation you might like:<br /><br />"Being in the heat of action, I forbade them to spare any that were in arms in the town... The Officers were knocked on the head and every tenth man of the soldiers killed and the rest shipped to the Barbadoes (sic) ... I think that we put to the sword altogether about 2,000 men ... [this was all done in the spirit of God] and therefore it is right that God alone should have all the glory." - Oliver CromwellRosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-25009121795048775572012-10-22T23:02:55.490+01:002012-10-22T23:02:55.490+01:00[citation needed][citation needed]Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-43208570257933798612012-10-22T20:43:53.273+01:002012-10-22T20:43:53.273+01:00Just one problem with your list of massacres. No. ...Just one problem with your list of massacres. No. 6 Drogheda didn't actually happen.<br />The historian working for the local authority in Drogheda has done a lot of research and finds that the people who were supposed to be massacred were alive and well AFTER the siege and doing very nicely thankyou trading with their neighbours. It looks like a good piece of anti-Cromwellian propaganda became the legend that everyone wants to print.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-8476302121303928402012-10-22T15:42:30.464+01:002012-10-22T15:42:30.464+01:00Become the younger brother of Jesus, kill tens of ...Become the younger brother of Jesus, kill tens of millions. Perfectly straightforward. Nothing to see here, move along...Bill the Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08436195659154078021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-7209387499206640852012-10-22T08:51:00.361+01:002012-10-22T08:51:00.361+01:00True but I have many more to add.
I have howeve...True but I have many more to add. <br /><br />I have however blogged about that very thing in <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-heavenly-peace-of-jesus.html" rel="nofollow">The Heavenly Peace Of Jesus.</a>Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-19767132190881447302012-10-22T01:50:11.009+01:002012-10-22T01:50:11.009+01:00You missed a significant one.
en.m.wikipedia.org...You missed a significant one. <br /><br />en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion<br /><br />The next time someone brings up the evils of Hitler, refer them to the Taiping Rebellion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com