tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post6210572295761458568..comments2024-03-27T00:26:19.644+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Dishonest To GodRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-68884606925120719812015-12-18T08:53:51.250+00:002015-12-18T08:53:51.250+00:00As I said, you can subscribe to this blog to get t...As I said, you can subscribe to this blog to get the latest comments. I don't intend to have a private debate with you via email.<br /><br />When you have decided what definitive evidence you think you have for whatever god you think it's evidence for, just post it here. If you are unable to do that then there is nothing to debate and you lose by default. Your choice.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-18360975935649880002015-12-18T01:35:25.267+00:002015-12-18T01:35:25.267+00:00odrareg18 March 2013 at 10:23
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So, will you ta...odrareg18 March 2013 at 10:23<br /><br />[…]<br />So, will you take the challenge to present your best argument against the existence of God, and we will analyze it together to determine its cognitive merits if any?<br /><br /><br /><br />Marius de Jess <br /><br /><br />Rosa Rubicondior18 March 2013 at 18:40<br />>You seek to point out the dishonesty of creationists; not conceding at all to your accusation, let me just ask you to present your best argument against the existence of God.<<br /><br />You haven't said which god, but it's the same answer for all of them - the complete absence of any evidence.<br /><br /><br /><br />Dear Rosa, I came to your blog again this morning when I was surfing the net searching for what is demurrer to evidence.<br /><br /><br />You are asking which god I am talking about, here is the concept of God I am talking about Whose existence for the purpose of this exchange we will take as to be not yet proven to surely exist in reality outside our mind.<br /><br />Here is my concept of God to answer to your question, which god.<br /><br />In concept God is the creator and operator of the universe and of everything with a beginning<br /><br />Now, you tell me which god you are talking about which does not exist in reality outside our mind.<br /><br />Glad to meet you again, I can’t remember now if I ever received your email, just the same if this blog is still being maintained by you and you read this present contribution from me, write your email to me, and I will return to your this blog and we can continue with our exchange.<br /><br />You see when what you say is an assumption in the issue God exists or not, it is not an assumption like when someone calls the fire men telling them that the house at the street corner is burning, because he sees smoke coming out from the windows of the house, so he assumes that the house is on fire (but he could be wrong).<br /><br />You are using that word assumption in that sense above; I want you to know that you are applying that word to the debate God exists or not, that theists already assume God exists, and that is according you you, not cognitively honest.<br /><br />You see, in an exchange of thoughts between two parties, in particular in a debate over an issue, “is it or is it not.’ There is no assumption at all that “it is’ – you are not getting the idea of an exchange on an issue or in particular a debate, with your use of the word assumption wrongly.<br /><br />What you call an assumption is not an assumption but a hypothesis; you notice that thesis word in the hypothesis word? It is like you are writing a thesis in a school paper advancing an issue.<br /><br />That word, thesis, it is like you are going to write a thesis to prove that God does not exist, and I am going to write an opposite thesis to prove that God exists – and we both agree that we should work on just one thesis, namely, either Thesis: God does not exist, and you take the contra position and I take the pro position, or we both work on Thesis: God exists, I take the pro position and you take the contra position.<br /><br />But when people write a thesis or a dissertation or propose an issue to discuss on or debate about, the statement of the thesis or the proposal is always formulated or normally formulated in the positive mood – find out why it is always formulated in the positive mood, go to the local college and ask the professor of debate and argumentation why a thesis is always formulated in the positive mood, instead of a negative mood.<br /><br /><br />Okay, I await your email to me, my email address, mdejess@gmail.com. <br />odrareghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08367983630108000071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-90164205711649384372013-03-18T18:45:17.001+00:002013-03-18T18:45:17.001+00:00You can, of course, subscribe to this blog so you ...You can, of course, subscribe to this blog so you get an automatic notification of replies just like anyone else, but perhaps you thought it would somehow validate the argument you have just had with yourself if you followed it up with this.<br /><br />Can I suggest you revise your strategy and try honesty? Your current one is counter-productive and is actually reinforcing the point I made in the blog.<br /><br />Just a suggestion.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-16737864266068322962013-03-18T18:40:29.638+00:002013-03-18T18:40:29.638+00:00>You seek to point out the dishonesty of creati...>You seek to point out the dishonesty of creationists; not conceding at all to your accusation, let me just ask you to present your best argument against the existence of God.<<br /><br />You haven't said which god, but it's the same answer for all of them - the complete absence of any evidence.<br /><br />>You will dodge right away of course as usual with atheists, by this kind of an answer, "I don't believe in God therefore I don't have to present any argument against God's existence."<<br /><br />Sorry to disappoint you. Perhaps you would come across as slightly more honest if you didn't presume my answer but actually dealt with <b>my</b> arguments instead of the ones you wish I had made.<br /><br />>See, that is a dodge and a quibble.<<br /><br />Are you arguing with an invisible person or just yourself?<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-90363251310316085052013-03-18T10:27:10.921+00:002013-03-18T10:27:10.921+00:00Please email me, mdejess@gmail.com, when you have ...Please email me, mdejess@gmail.com, when you have decided to publish my comment.<br /><br />If not, also email me to rewrite it so that it will pass your moderation.<br /><br /><br /><br />Odrareg aka Marius de Jessodrareghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08367983630108000071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-60338785090430072712013-03-18T10:23:42.712+00:002013-03-18T10:23:42.712+00:00Let me read an argument from you, the author of th...Let me read an argument from you, the author of this article, on the non-existence of God.<br /><br />You seek to point out the dishonesty of creationists; not conceding at all to your accusation, let me just ask you to present your best argument against the existence of God.<br /><br />My observation is that you are in this article engaged in dodging and quibbling, instead of pointing out exactly what dishonesty the creationists engage in with their arguments for the existence of God.<br /><br />Anyway, let me read from you your best argument for the non-existence of God.<br /><br />You will dodge right away of course as usual with atheists, by this kind of an answer, "I don't believe in God therefore I don't have to present any argument against God's existence."<br /><br />See, that is a dodge and a quibble.<br /><br />A dodge because you seek to escape from any accounting for the grounds why you deny the existence of God, and a quibble because denying God's existence is not any acceptable justification to neglect the investigation on the issue of God existing or not existing.<br /><br />That is my impression from talking with atheists, they are always into dodges and quibblings, they don't have any genuinely rational argument for denying the existence of God.<br /><br />So, will the take the challenge to present your best argument against the existence of God, and we will analyze it together to determine its cognitive merits if any?<br /><br /><br /><br />Marius de Jess <br />odrareghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08367983630108000071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-88640574174540908932013-01-15T21:32:22.895+00:002013-01-15T21:32:22.895+00:00Surely religion is always part of the identity of ...Surely religion is <b>always</b> part of the identity of the truly religious? So if people are taking these discussions at all seriously, the stakes are always going to be high.<br /><br />Any conversation which starts with the objective of proving we are right rather than either understanding the other person or simply being heard is always going to have some of these features. And I for one used to find it surprisingly difficult to move into a position of genuine curiosity (as opposed to understanding their position as the first step to winning the argument).<br /><br />I've seen all of these tactics by passionate atheists on the comments to the freethought blogs, for example.<br /><br />twistedByKnaveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09678240461662823816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-28392938764530747092013-01-15T21:22:47.986+00:002013-01-15T21:22:47.986+00:00As one of the first interactions god has with Adam...As one of the first interactions god has with Adam and Eve he lies to them, then at least for the followers of Yahweh its a requirement. Gen 3:3 but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden God said, 'You are neither to eat from it nor touch it, or you will die.<br /><br />Unless you assume that god created Adam+Eve to be immortal. But that throws up the problem of God not knowing what is going on in his garden...and as free will hadn't been given yet (that comes from eating the apple) the all knowing and powerfull god seems to have deliberately <br />1. lied to them<br />2. allowed them to eat the apple<br />which has led to an untold amount of suffering and death, which must have been gods plan right from the start. Nice choice of diety to worship!!Jon, UKnoreply@blogger.com