tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post4914328311899665210..comments2024-03-27T00:26:19.644+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Prophesying A Powerless GodRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-65299799085379386242016-01-23T13:30:48.686+00:002016-01-23T13:30:48.686+00:00Any further irrelevent preaching will be routinely...Any further irrelevent preaching will be routinely deleted. Even Christians are expected to behave in a civilised manner here and not parasitise this blog. Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-21845930154346506202016-01-23T13:28:55.428+00:002016-01-23T13:28:55.428+00:00>I hesitate to be bothered to respond.<
Bu...>I hesitate to be bothered to respond.< <br /><br />But you decided to do a copy and paste of some preaching material rather than deal with the content of the blog, anyway...<br /><br />Interesting that you try to rationalise Atheism away by calling it a faith though. Does that mean you think faith is a bad way to determine the truth, or does it mean you think faiths are wrong?<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-89023405743293120642016-01-23T10:36:23.522+00:002016-01-23T10:36:23.522+00:00The argument here is so full of straw men and loop...The argument here is so full of straw men and loopholes, I hesitate to be bothered to respond.The atheist worldview - their FAITH - that denies the [possibility of the] supernatural blinkers them into irrationality. But first, understand that God chooses to respect our free-will. It is precious to Him, but He wants us to use it in the way that is best for us, and because of our brokenness [QV Gen.3,] we are incapable of working that out for ourselves.<br /><br />DIFFERENT KINDS OF 'PROPHECY' - the kind where I fortell something I'm going to do; "I'm going to throw this ball", the conditional kind; "If I throw this ball it will come down again; if I roll it on the ground it will stay where it stops", and the kind I can do nothing about "If Gerry throws, the ball could land anywhere". God's realm is outside our temporal universe which is why He can see the end from the beginning; in that sense He exists outside what we experience as causality. To argue against God using our limited perception is the first straw man. The radio interview.... 1) Decisions we make are are based on our temporal causality; comparing God's decision making with that is futile. God can 'adjust' past present and future to achieve His aims, and guide us into doing our part in His 'plan'; we ignore that at our [self-inflicted] peril - God will achieve His desired outcome for creation regardless. To say the future is 'fixed' in any way - just because God chooses to reveal some aspect of it to our benefit - is another straw man, and the result of ignoring the nature of different kinds of prophecy, and of illogically applying our [limited] logic to God's position. Even God's activities are 'limited' to rationality; to say that God is not omnipotent because He can't make an object that is simultaneously both black AND white, is willful nonsense; that is essentially the argument here. Jason looses the point in places, but he was probably thrown by Dan's irrationality. And Dan is lying when he says he wants to understand the Bible; he only wants to understand the Bible within his own presuppositional prejudices - that's quite obvious from his comments! God can choose to let our decisions be a part of our future [e.g. Jonah]; He already knows the outcome because He exists outside temporal causality, but [the Ninevens] needed the options revealed to make their choice. Another straw man presented here! Ez.38 is partly conditional, and when God says something will happen, we need to take care not to put it in a timeframe. Just because some stupid self-called-Christians try to do that ENTIRELY AGAINST God's instructions, doesn't give anyone the release to use their standpoint against ALL Christianity! That's as irrational as using some of [e.g.] Richard Dawkin's more exessive nonsense to support atheism. At the end of the day, I would much rather have the guided freedom revealed in the Bible than the appaling prospect that we're just atoms and molecules doing what atoms and molecules do. I hate to generalise about people, but this website exhibits in abundance two traits that I regularly see in atheist arguments; a tremendous arrogance that you are right and everyone else is wrong expressed in a most dismissive and adolescent way, and the tedency to use the worst possible examples of people trying to uphold their faith as vehicles to demolish it. I would recommend getting off your high horses, but that would require humility, a very Christian virtue, one in very short supply among atheists.TimCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-38042841773579570032015-02-07T00:14:33.529+00:002015-02-07T00:14:33.529+00:00Not sure which blog you read but Satan is nowhere ...Not sure which blog you read but Satan is nowhere mentioned or even implied in this one, least of all in Dan Barker's conversation with Jason<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-56451905967290046022015-02-06T23:23:37.652+00:002015-02-06T23:23:37.652+00:00As someone who is most decidedly NOT a christian, ...As someone who is most decidedly NOT a christian, I still find this ridiculous. Dan is basically accepting the (ridiculous) premises of Christianity and then using to say that he'd personally rather side with Satan. To me that just seems like a small child ranting against a future of which he is afraid.drng987https://www.blogger.com/profile/13583017726289923564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-57464014796460776902013-08-19T22:52:53.604+01:002013-08-19T22:52:53.604+01:00>If that is the case then why are you putting r...>If that is the case then why are you putting restrictions on All-Knowing and All-Powerful?<<br /><br />I'm not.<br /><br />When will you have the courage to deal with what I said instead of trying to impress people with your infantile ability to throw stones at straw men?<br /><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-1240192488748300442013-08-19T22:08:14.684+01:002013-08-19T22:08:14.684+01:00If that is the case then why are you putting restr...If that is the case then why are you putting restrictions on All-Knowing and All-Powerful? We cannot put limits or decide the finish line on something we do not fully understand. Ever thought of: "Capable but no willing"?<br /><br />Second of all, there is no basis for changing his mind. An omnipotence and an omniscient have no need to change his mind. Only an ignorant being, or a being that wants to improve something could acquire a reason to change his mind.<br />Changing mind is rooted in ignorance or improvement, ignorance or improvement is not perfection, thus contradicts the nature of God.<br /><br />From your post you assume the A-Theory of time, and that's fine.<br /><br />You might as well say: "God is weak because he cannot make himself weak, or he doesn't have a reason to do so".ShadowWhoWalkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10867251370894921001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-27060817264608916492013-08-19T08:33:22.883+01:002013-08-19T08:33:22.883+01:00I would have thought the meaning of all-knowing an...I would have thought the meaning of all-knowing and all-powerful were well understood but for the benefit of those who really don't understand, they mean knowing everything and having unlimited power respectively.<br /><br />There is, of course, no inconsistency in my use of these words.<br /><br />Will you be dealing with the points I raised soon or are we to have a lot more prevarication?<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-26817442587575266822013-08-19T04:24:05.065+01:002013-08-19T04:24:05.065+01:00Your definitions of Omniscient and Omnipotence see...Your definitions of Omniscient and Omnipotence seems to have a bit of inconsistency.<br /><br />Can you please define: Omnipotence, Omniscient?ShadowWhoWalkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10867251370894921001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-31122587314448968462012-07-27T07:16:54.187+01:002012-07-27T07:16:54.187+01:00Wiping the floor with Jason is easy. But the fundi...Wiping the floor with Jason is easy. But the fundiwacks have their made-to-order riposte: "But God is a perfect being, and He can do whatever He wants, including being omnipotent and omniscient at the one and the same time. If you can't understand that, it's your fault. We who have Faith *know*."Bill the Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08436195659154078021noreply@blogger.com