tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post7006282152273203392..comments2024-03-29T01:45:45.002+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Why Black Athletic Supremacy EvolvedRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-52710976732512090642012-11-20T19:15:09.174+00:002012-11-20T19:15:09.174+00:00Interesting subject. My tuppence worth is as follo...Interesting subject. My tuppence worth is as follows:<br /><br />Michael Johnson, the men's 400m world record holder (and 200m WR holder until a certain Mr Bolt came along) believes genetics are not the cause for black success as much as role models.<br /><br />Up until the 1960s white sprinters by and large took all the spoils in sprints. There were, of course, exceptions such as Jesse Owens, but Owens' 100m record time was a paltry 10.2 seconds, rubbish by today's standards. However, seeing role models such as Jesse, black people were inspired to take up the sport and dedicate their lives to becoming a finely tuned machine. <br /><br />If we were to see 4 or 5 more white guys like Lemaitre come through, we could see a similar increase in white success too. Johnson certainly believes that to be the case.<br /><br />On a scientific level, there is little or no evidence that white people can't achieve the same times that we see blacks achieve. The reason there are hardly any is because there is little incentive for whites to take up sprinting (again, with the odd exception)<br /><br />Whites are taught to believe blacks are genetically superior so they see no point in trying to become Olympic sprinters. On the other hand, black participation is far higher proportionally because they have so many icons to worship and emulate. Who knows how many Lemaitres or Menneas we might have otherwise had if whites weren't so deterred from taking up sprinting.<br /><br />Perversely, when we look at women's athletes, performances are far more equal. Many white Europeans STILL hold all-time top ten performances in the sprints. Aside from Flo-Jo's ridiculous steroid-induced records (which should be wiped from the record books in my opinion) and convicted cheat Marion Jones, white athletes hold half of the top-ten all time 200m times and 3 of the top 4 in the 400m, with nobody coming close to Marita Koch's 400m time.<br /><br />Following on, in both men's and women's throwing events, white athletes are supremely dominant. Although a black man won the Olympic javelin competition in London 2012, his best throw of just over 84 metres is laughably poor compared to Jan Zelezny's superb 98.48m world record (which will never ever ever be beaten in my lifetime, imo).<br /><br />Similarly, in discuss, hammer throw and shot putt, white athletes practically own those events in both men's and women's competitions, with only the token black competitor getting in amongst the action every so often.<br /><br />Again, as Johnson does, I believe that it is not genetic advantages but preconceived notions about genetics and participation differences between different groups that give us our current situation. These can be challenged, as proven by Jonathan Edwards' triple jump world record, which nobody in history has come close to since he set it in 1995, despite him being the only white man in the top 5 all-time list.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-74164536421947373632012-11-19T23:17:10.594+00:002012-11-19T23:17:10.594+00:00You're right. Thank you for correcting the BBC...You're right. Thank you for correcting the BBC report upon which my blog was based.<br /><br />So that makes just three white athletes who have run sub-20 second 200m, which of course does nothing to change the point of the blog, about which you seem not to wish to comment.<br /><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-27474738156786129572012-11-19T22:50:05.344+00:002012-11-19T22:50:05.344+00:00"Only one white athlete, the Frenchman Christ..."Only one white athlete, the Frenchman Christophe Lemaitre, has ever run a sub-twenty second 200 metres."<br /><br />Not true! Pietro Mennea of Italy ran the 200m in 19.78 seconds on 12th September 1979, which stood as the world record until 1996.<br /><br />Greek sprinter Kostos Kenteris also broke 20 seconds when he ran 200m in 19.85 seconds.<br /><br />It would be bice if you got your facts straight vefore making false claims.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-74005941960444993382012-08-16T13:11:52.799+01:002012-08-16T13:11:52.799+01:00Sacerdotus.
You also forgot to explain why you tr...Sacerdotus.<br /><br />You also forgot to explain why you tried to divert the conversation away from genetics and evolution and into one about race. I expect readers here will have worked out why that was and why you are now trying for another diversion. I'm afraid the <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/so-youve-decided-to-be-apologist-for.html" rel="nofollow">Christian Apologists Handbook</a> doesn't explain how you could use truth, honesty and personal integrity to your advantage because, as you know, that would never work.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-60937793694471426232012-08-16T13:05:35.800+01:002012-08-16T13:05:35.800+01:00Sacerdotus.
You forgot to say why again. I wonder...Sacerdotus.<br /><br />You forgot to say why again. I wonder if readers can work out why.<br /><br />You really need to read the Christian Apologists Handbook. It tells you how and when to use the tricks and deceptions on which you have to rely. It's available here: <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/so-youve-decided-to-be-apologist-for.html" rel="nofollow">So You’ve Decided To Be An Apologist For Christianity</a>. <br /><br />Be sure to download the Christian version; the Islamic version (<a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/so-youve-decided-to-be-apologist-for_03.html" rel="nofollow">So You’ve Decided To Be An Apologist For Islam</a>) has a few different words and you don't want to end up promoting the almost identical superstition of your deadly enemy, do you now.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-88621129611739537972012-08-16T11:15:25.534+01:002012-08-16T11:15:25.534+01:00Do you even read what you write?? Darwin is spinn...Do you even read what you write?? Darwin is spinning in his grave now...Sacerdotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558048488785769126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-88820765671899631732012-08-16T10:01:25.979+01:002012-08-16T10:01:25.979+01:00Sacerdotus.
Sorry you have had to try to divert a...Sacerdotus.<br /><br />Sorry you have had to try to divert a conversation about genetics and evolution into one about race, so again revealing to the world your intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice. Was it your way of handling the discomfort of cognitive dissonance real-world facts so readily set up in the deluded minds of superstitious theophobes?Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-26319029188202423862012-08-16T07:43:02.309+01:002012-08-16T07:43:02.309+01:00Any academic or biologist would know that race is ...Any academic or biologist would know that race is a social construct and is not biologically determined. I suggest you do research before presenting your misunderstanding of evolution/genetics as accurate. May I suggest reading up on works by Biologist Dr. Alan Templeton, Ph.D and educate yourself on the matter. <br /><br />The rest of your claims are unfounded as usual. It is important to provide citations for your claims. Others who are not well educated and comment here may buy into your posts, but people such as myself who hold degrees in the sciences will call you out on your mistakes. Sacerdotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558048488785769126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-64041240397412109432012-08-15T18:53:29.535+01:002012-08-15T18:53:29.535+01:00Interesting post. (On black athletic superiority.)...Interesting post. (<a href="http://furtherthoughtsfortheday.blogspot.com/2012/08/on-black-athletic-superiority.html" rel="nofollow">On black athletic superiority.</a>)<br /><br />I'm not sure you have established that it has <i>"nothing to do with genetics"</i> and thus that the conditions produced by slavery could not have been an evolutionary driver, at least in part.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-35520634298813752222012-08-15T15:54:18.779+01:002012-08-15T15:54:18.779+01:00There may be a predominance of black athletes, but...There may be a predominance of black athletes, but this is nothing to do with genetics. http://furtherthoughtsfortheday.blogspot.com/2012/08/on-black-athletic-superiority.htmlEnglish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04472815676266826531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-57326516972680290072012-08-12T00:10:30.411+01:002012-08-12T00:10:30.411+01:00Funny how Mo Farah said it was "hard work and...Funny how Mo Farah said it was "hard work and graft" that got him his medals. The inconsistency of your argument is astounding. We are told that all humans started/evolved in Africa...."one blood". But you say its European Christians and their slavery that created this gene pool....<br />Morgan anonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-79016385694986212942012-08-10T23:33:41.790+01:002012-08-10T23:33:41.790+01:00Interesting.
Of course, the West African populati...Interesting.<br /><br />Of course, the West African population from which slaves were mostly obtained are not especially close to the Ethiopian and Niloto-Saharan people who tend to perform well in middle and long distance events.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-5055759414117593752012-08-10T23:07:59.855+01:002012-08-10T23:07:59.855+01:00I don't think this tells the full story. It is...I don't think this tells the full story. It is true that selective breeding has produced 'fitter' athletes of African descent, however this only extends as far as the twitch fibers in muscles. Anybody of African descent has genetically faster twitch muscles fibers, and the slave trade selective breeding you speak of has advanced this. This is why it is only the sprint events that descendants of the slave trade dominate and not long distance.Peter Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05773040517538575335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-14593991237771343692012-08-10T15:21:25.336+01:002012-08-10T15:21:25.336+01:00As usual, the known facts contradict you.
Do you ...As usual, the known facts contradict you.<br /><br />Do you imagine the universe obeys the instructions you type out for it and changes reality accordingly? Or are you just hoping to fool credulous and ignorant simpletons who either can't or can't be bothered to learn real history? If so, can I politely suggest you confine this tactic to people who already subscribe to your infantile superstition and desist from insulting the intelligence of readers of this blog.Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-1501567257368412862012-08-10T13:39:33.822+01:002012-08-10T13:39:33.822+01:00Nominal Christianity and or deism or nordism / pag...Nominal Christianity and or deism or nordism / paganism Rosa? Adolf couldn't make his mind up and the church was next on his list after the other monotheists were exterminated. As with all totalitarian states religionists get the irk as it reminds them of a moral compass. All atheistic communist states develop slave labour camps and the cult of worship of the party or great leader.<br />However, in Christianity "whom the Son sets free is free indeed".<br />Morgan anonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-68828669841225463852012-08-10T10:40:16.260+01:002012-08-10T10:40:16.260+01:00Ah, great post Rosa. Missed it last night.
I was ...Ah, great post Rosa. Missed it last night. <br />I was hoping you might do a blog about it. Could you also do one about the Kenyan domination of the longer distances? <br /><br />Oh dear. Sacerdotus has now completely lost his/her/its mind.<br /><br />Narwhal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-2675271181242575072012-08-10T09:46:08.962+01:002012-08-10T09:46:08.962+01:00Well done. You've managed to find an account o...Well done. You've managed to find an account of how one man involved in the slave trade may have been an unbeliever. Do you think many people will have been convinced by your hilarious attempt to insinuate that they all were, based on one man?<br /><br />You forgot to post the biblical references to support your claim and to explain why they flatly contradict other passages, including the reported words of Jesus in Luke 12:41-48, <i>"And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few."</i>, which was widely quoted in support of slavery and to justify the barbaric treatment handed out by slave owners - Jesus told us to do it. (See <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/what-jesus-thought-about-slavery.html" rel="nofollow">'What Jesus Thought About Slavery'</a>)Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-39874791057820066502012-08-10T09:19:11.158+01:002012-08-10T09:19:11.158+01:00Explaining why black athletes are disproportionate...Explaining why black athletes are disproportionately successful at many athletic sports is not remotely racist, however lying about it and denying it in the face of the evidence most certainly is.<br /><br />People will recall your fellow religionists discomfort when Jesse Owens won the 1936 gold medal in Munich despite the then Catholic belief that white people were the master race based on perverted ideas of Darwinian Evolution which your church was then finding extremely useful.<br /><br />Do you want evidence of the slave trade and how slaves were treated, or evidence that black athletes won the 200 meters Olympic final, predominate in many sports and that most of them come from countries where the black population is descended from slaves Christian Europeans captured and transported there?<br /><br />Or are you just in embarrassed denial about the whole thing and hoping no one has noticed?Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-17319335821217649952012-08-10T08:58:40.104+01:002012-08-10T08:58:40.104+01:00Apart from being racist, this post does not suppor...Apart from being racist, this post does not support its claims. Do you have any evidence of the claims you make?Sacerdotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558048488785769126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-57068165183603199862012-08-10T01:18:12.737+01:002012-08-10T01:18:12.737+01:00Most folk were in it for the money(slavery). JOHN ...Most folk were in it for the money(slavery). JOHN NEWTON spent his time as a slave ship seaman as an unbeliever. He was himself enslaved in Africa and sold in a reversal of fortune. He commuted many heinous acts to slaves as an unbeliever. He made a nominal expression of commitment to Christ but continued to work in the trade. After his full conversion renounced the trade and with his friend Wilberforce saw its abolition. He wrote Amazing Grace.<br />My question to you is. Did Newton's early life unbelief/atheism in the Christian God cause him to act so heinously?<br />As for the Bible it says that we are "one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth" I.e no difference in the so called races. Jamaica wins in the sprints cause sprinting is the national sport, they practice it. Mo Farah won the 10k cause he runs 120miles per week.<br />I have already pointed out that the New Testament advocates the equality of men and St Paul advocated for Onesimus who was a slave that his former owner treat him as an equal and not a slave.<br />Morgan anonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com