tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post8428009566032740630..comments2024-03-29T01:45:45.002+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Order From ChaosRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-76247566860933937482012-12-03T22:22:17.220+00:002012-12-03T22:22:17.220+00:00Indeed. Brownian Movement is random because it is ...Indeed. Brownian Movement is random because it is caused by random collisions of randomly moving molecules with suspended (macro) particles. It can be observed in smoke.<br /><br />I think we are trying hard to disagree here, don't you? My original point was that the Gas Laws are emergent order from the chaotic movement of individual molecules within the mass of gas. In other words they are statistical laws of mass action which emerge from chaos and yet they are entirely predictable, with no intelligent design or direction.<br /><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-5838267436174775022012-12-03T20:17:13.325+00:002012-12-03T20:17:13.325+00:001. I was confusing Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Princi...1. I was confusing Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle with the Observer Effect, my bad.<br /><br />2. I never said molecules are “elementary particles,” I said they are particles. Regardless, molecules are subject to intermolecular forces such as London Dispersion or Dipole-Dipole that affect their motion. Just think about it logically, if molecules didn't have any forces acting on them then they wouldn’t be moving at all. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05347483621481564344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-582114213741433002012-12-01T19:52:53.820+00:002012-12-01T19:52:53.820+00:001. Heisenberg Uncertainty is not a technological l...1. Heisenberg Uncertainty is <b>not</b> a technological limitation; it is a fundamental characteristic of matter. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia -Uncertainty principle</a><br /><br />2. Molecules are composed of atoms which are composed of elementary particles. Even the position of particles within those atoms is indeterminate due to chaos and quantum uncertainty.<br /><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-4091838487497814232012-12-01T19:14:32.439+00:002012-12-01T19:14:32.439+00:001. Yes, with our current technology we can’t measu...1. Yes, with our current technology we can’t measure particles without disturbing them, but if we could measure the particles’ speed, mass and charge without affecting them, then we would be able to accurately predict their movements. The point is that their motion is governed by laws and therefore they are not moving chaotically. <br /><br />2. Molecules are particles.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05347483621481564344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-75603549622368897642012-12-01T09:32:26.765+00:002012-12-01T09:32:26.765+00:00>but if we were to somehow be able to measure e...>but if we were to somehow be able to measure every single particle’s speed<<br /><br />1. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.<br /><br />2. That part of the blog wasn't about particles, so charge doesn't come into it, but molecules.<br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-76916328076873623242012-12-01T03:49:45.052+00:002012-12-01T03:49:45.052+00:00You have a significant problem with your argument:...You have a significant problem with your argument: particles are not moving randomly and chaotically. They are subject to other laws (for example, Coulomb’s Law) which dictate their motion. They are “unpredictable” in the sense that we cannot predict their motion with our modern technology because they are so small and numerous, but if we were to somehow be able to measure every single particle’s speed and mass and charge then we would be able to accurately predict their movement.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05347483621481564344noreply@blogger.com