tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post8764520206121295715..comments2024-03-29T11:20:48.180+00:00Comments on Rosa Rubicondior: Closing The Gaps - Early Bird Shows EvolutionRosa Rubicondiorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-84567156150216173672014-05-30T10:16:31.076+01:002014-05-30T10:16:31.076+01:00As Peter Boghossian says in 'A Manual for Crea...As Peter Boghossian says in 'A Manual for Creating Atheists' fundamentalists have started from their conclusion and then looked for supporting evidence. They've become convinced that they are right and that faith is a better way to determine truth than looking at the evidence. He calls it 'doxastic closure'. The key to getting through to them is to get them to question their faith in faith.<br /><br />See <a href="http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/starting-from-conclusion.html" rel="nofollow">Starting From The Conclusion</a><br />Rosa Rubicondiorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063268216781988588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-83080254166180350132014-05-30T09:36:54.331+01:002014-05-30T09:36:54.331+01:00But, Rosa, you must understand that creationists a...But, Rosa, you must understand that creationists aren't - in your own words - "normal person[s]". ;o) <br /><br />They are almost - yes, I dare say ALWAYS - (next to) impossible to convince. Believe me. I've tried. Too. Like you. And never succeeded. Always in vain. <br /><br />I often link to your blog, Rosa, when discussing and debating with woos here in Sweden. But I've understood that most woos can be characterized by having serious difficulties reading and understanding written articles in the English language (yes, Swedish woos unfortunately often have the same problems understanding the Swedish language, their mother tongue). <br /><br />Maybe their brain's problem with processing verbal information contributes to their lack of understanding knowledge based on logic and facts? Maybe that's why woos are so immune to logic, logical reasoning, hard facts and so on? Do you agree, Rosa?<br /><br />The other day I read an article, which seems to explain why it is so: http://mindhacks.com/2014/05/26/the-best-way-to-win-an-argument/ . And here's another one: http://www.yale.edu/cogdevlab/aarticles/IOED%20proofs.pdf%201.pdf .<br /><br />The bottom line in both articles seems to be that woos believe they understand the mechanisms of evolution in detail, but of course they don't. Instead they indulge themselves in oversimplified deductive reasoning, built on emotions and wishful thinking. A sort of shortcut thinking (by professor Daniel Kahneman called emotional system #1-thinking or fast thinking). <br /><br />So a good tactic for a skeptic discussing with woos would then be to ask the woos to explain their own reasoning, step by step, using a causal thought model. Then - hopefully - the woo will gain the insight that his/her thought and belief paradigm is built upon the sand of faith instead of knowledge/facts. And, possibly, start to listen to the skeptics.<br /><br />I end this comment by citing a great quote you yourself used in another blog article quite recently, Rosa:<br /><br />If one had sufficient evidence to warrant belief in a particular claim, then one wouldn’t believe the claim on the basis of faith . “Faith” is the word one uses when one does not have enough evidence to justify holding a belief, but when one just goes ahead and believes anyway. - Boghossian, Peter in A Manual for Creating Atheists (Kindle Locations 309-311). Pitchstone Publishing. Kindle Edition.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Helmer von Helvetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02136543309048013677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7583674511519808833.post-18091343128983087432014-05-30T03:20:57.294+01:002014-05-30T03:20:57.294+01:00Do you ever get any responses from creationists?
...Do you ever get any responses from creationists?<br /><br />Well, here's <i>my</i> explanation: Cthulhu did it! Prove me wrong.<br /><br /><i>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ia! Ia!"</i> :DBill the Butcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08436195659154078021noreply@blogger.com