"And another thing! My father isn’t cruel. He’s only like that because he loves you. You wouldn’t even be here if it wasn’t for him!”
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Sunday, 19 June 2011
The Daft Things People Believe
"And another thing! My father isn’t cruel. He’s only like that because he loves you. You wouldn’t even be here if it wasn’t for him!”
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If possible, please provide a citation for any substantive claims or at least give a cogent reason why you accept it as factual. A quote from a book held to be holy by a minority of the world's people is not a scientific argument.
Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to have it regarded as established fact needing no supporting evidence or justification. Don't be surprised if you are called on an unsubstantiated claim.
Remember: simply because you do not know or understand something does not mean it is unknown, unknowable or beyond understanding.
Regrettably, due to persistent abuse of privilege by a deranged Christian zealot, I have reverted to moderating all comments. I will revert to open commenting if and when the abuser matures enough to behave like a normal adult, something which sadly he shows little sign of doing.

thanks for sharing
ReplyDeleteAwesome post. Can't believe it's taken me so long to find your blog. So, very, well, said!
ReplyDeleteRAmen.
If we believe that there is a physical reality, containing observables such as for example, the communication of signals from brain to hand, then the question arises: is a belief in communication from an "outside source" into the physical universe, consistent with the belief in a physical reality?
ReplyDeleteI need to define "outside source" and the definition i use is "that which is not constrained by the observed rules applicable within the observed physical reality" This definition is intended to apply to the such constructs as ghosts, indwelling spirits of individuals, demons, gods, in the manner that such constructs may exist in the minds of people who are in other respects apparently near-rational.
If any outside source sends a signal into the observed reality, then, we cannot have any means of predicting the consequences of our decisions.
This follows as a consequence of not having reliable data.
The unreliability of data is the consequence of having an outside source providing alternate signals which may conceivably interfere with the signals arriving from the observable reality.
In other words, we might think we received signals from the physical reality, but we were simply "seeing things" (as per common usage of the phrase) .
There would be no way to be sure which of our measurements are measurements of the physical reality, and which are measure,ents of a signal from an outside source.
It follows then, that an absence of certainty that any matter under discussion, can be discussed on the basis that there are some measured facts as input, would possibly be a consistent viewpoint. It would also be a viewpoint that permits no purpose to discussion. The person holding that view might use time to better effect by communing with the outside sources, than discussing matters with people who believe there are some measured facts to use for prediction of outcome.
What is clearly inconsistent, is to hold that there are facts, observed in a physical reality, and that there is certainty regarding the measurement of the observed facts - whilst at the same time holding the belief that signals enter the observable reality from an outside source.
By way of example: suppose a christian studies neurology. How does the christian neurologist know that he is observing the actions of neurons in the brain of another? Could not the same apparent observation be created by an outside source sending a complex signal directly to the neurons of the observing christian neurologist?
Anything which can interact in any way with anything in the universe is, by definition, in the universe and cannot be outside or separate from it.
DeleteIn fact, there can be no 'outside' in the conventional sense because there is no space or time for an outside to be in, hence the universe is finite but unbounded.
What you are describing are idiopathic hallucinations that arise within our neurophysiology.