One of the favourite fallacies used by creation 'scientists' to give spurious credence to creationism and its fashionable (and very lucrative) version, Intelligent Design, is the argument from design, or the teleological argument.
This argument has a long history but perhaps its most famous exponent was William Paley, the English theologian and philosopher. Briefly, his argument, which pre-dated Darwin's Origin of Species by 57 years, was that, if you found a watch on a piece of heathland, the most logical conclusion would be that someone had dropped it there and that it had been designed by one or more watchmakers and not by natural forces.
And of course, this is unarguable for a watch, for the simple reason that there is no other mechanism which could explain the watch's production, nor how it came to be where it was found. That explanation requires no mystery; there is nothing required which can't be readily understood and certainly there is no need to include an unproven supernatural hypothesis in the explanation. The explanation that a watch was designed by a watchmaker is complete and the most parsimonious answer available.
And, with the state of our knowledge of biology and biological systems in 1802, there seemed to be no reason why this analogy did not apply to living animals as well. Living animals appear to be designed in that they have component parts which need to be arranged in the right way, though, curiously, there are no wheels in nature so any movement has to rely on levers with lots of pushing and pulling, acceleration and deceleration and not the far more efficient rotary action of wheels (imagine a car with legs!) but that's by the by.
Now, what purpose does a living animal have which is in any way comparable to the utility value of a watch? Living things exist only to produce other living things. Not so watches. Watches have a very specific purpose and that is to keep an accurate record of the passage of time.
There is an even more fundamental way in which watches are not like living things. Watches do not need elaborate mechanisms for finding their own energy source and to avoid becoming some other timepiece's energy source; they do not need excretory and circulatory systems to supply energy to its component parts and to carry away the waste, and, most significantly, watches do not need mechanism for finding mates and for producing and caring for offspring. Because they do not need any of these things they do not need sensory, reproductive and locomotory systems. And because they are not self-replicating, they need no mechanism for replicating information and passing it on to the next generation.
They don't need any of these things because they are designed and made by humans, for humans and humans provide their energy to them by winding them up. Without humans, watches have no purpose, no function, and no existence. Watches are merely human artefacts. Living creatures existed before humans and would undoubtedly exist without us. For the most part, living creatures are self-reliant and self-replicating because they have no designers and have no purpose other than existing for their own sake.
Moreover, if we look inside the watch we would not find any redundancy in the design. There would be no cogs spinning purposelessly away, no springs holding back levers for no reason at all, no overly elaborate mechanisms using several cogs and levers where one or two would do, no mistakes having to be compensated for by hugely inefficient work-arounds and no evidence of earlier designs still included but having no current function at all. The watch would be efficiently and accurately designed with obvious intelligence by someone who had a complete over-view of the purpose of his design and who knew how to make it as simply, and therefore as efficiently and accurately as possible. Additionally, if you were to look in different models of watch made by this watchmaker you would certainly see the same solutions used to overcome the same engineering problems; you would see the same springs, cogs, levers and bearings being used in the same way. You might even see exactly the same mechanism, just in a different case.
Unlike watches, living things have masses of inbuilt redundancy. The DNA of most living things is vastly more than is needed. There is DNA which does nothing other than produce copies of itself, for example. There is DNA which is added to the ends of chromosomes for no good reason because of a flaw in the copying mechanism and which just keeps being added to. There are vestigial organs to be found in most species, like evidence of legs in whales and the human appendix. There is evidence of work-arounds for earlier mistakes such as a complicated neural function to compensate for the blind spot in the mammalian eye because the wiring of the retina is backwards. And of course there is the ludicrous path taken by the recurrent laryngeal nerve, especially in the giraffe.
There is evidence of repeated new 'designs' of structures like wings and eyes and not the re-use of earlier solutions, such as a watchmaker would use. No intelligent watchmaker would think to re-design springs and cogs each time he decided to make a new watch.
In short, living things show evidence of design, but not of intelligent design.
So, does that apparent design point to a god, but just not a very intelligent one perhaps, or one with a fixation with beetles, of which there are some 500,000 different 'designs' alone?
What Paley, and those who were convinced by his argument, which incidentally included a young Charles Darwin, did not appreciate, in addition to all the redundancy, and in addition to failing to appreciate that watches have an obvious purpose which is not paralleled by living things, was that design does not necessarily indicate a designer, nor intelligence. This was never more than an argument from personal incredulity - I can't understand it therefore it must have been a god. They failed to appreciate this not because they were stupid or dishonest; they could only work with the state of knowledge of the times. They failed to appreciate it because they lacked one essential piece of knowledge, because science had not discovered it then.
What they failed to appreciate was that a natural process exists which can explain ALL these things, and which does not include an unexplained mystery for which no hypothesis can account, nor does it require magic. All the components of this system can be seen and understood, just like all of the components of the system for making watches can be seen and understood. No mystery, no magic and no supernatural component need be included in the explanation.
The explanation, as Charles Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace showed in 1859, is natural selection. Natural selection by a selective environment from amongst variants of a self-replicating system which produces variations on a basic theme, is BOUND to lead to the appearance of systems which superficially look designed for the purpose of living and reproducing in that environment. Design is not the sole prerogative of intelligence. Design can also be performed by nature provided the thing being designed is self-replicating in a selective environment in which it competes with other living things and especially with variants of itself.
And given the system in which natural selection operates, the result is inevitable.
Natural selection is the most parsimonious explanation both for the appearance of design and for the appearance of a stupid designer. Living things look exactly as you would expect them to look if designed by a utilitarian, mindless, purposeless design process given direction only by the environment in which it operates.
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We can see now that there is nothing supernatural required and nothing supernatural involved.
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You said living things exist to produce other living things, while watches have the specific purpose of tracking the passage of time.
ReplyDeleteDon't humans also track the passage of time? They can do so by observing the height of the sun in the sky. They also create paintings, choreograph dances, and construct metaphors. What is the purpose of these tasks?
>Don't humans also track the passage of time?<
DeleteYes. By using clocks and watches.
Do you think that's what humans were constructed for?
Haha, no. :)
ReplyDeleteBut I've spoken with other people about this issue of human purpose who have told me that humans exist to produce other humans. I do not see, then, why humans create things other than babies or things immediately necessary for survival, if the purpose of existence is to prolong existence.
What things do we create that are not necessary for survival, please?
DeleteMost art--paintings, music, poetry, dance. One need not create art in order to survive. Sure, we enjoy it. Yet if I presuppose that life has no purpose beyond survival, I fail to see why we make art. Why do we make art? Why do we enjoy it? Yes, art gives value to life. But it does not hep perpetuate existence for existence's sake. If one were to propose that we make art to enjoy life so that we are encouraged to procreate, why should that be? Why would we need encouragement to procreate if procreation is our final cause?
DeleteI'm asking you because I have never received a logically consistent answer to this problem. I hoped you would be able to clarify this position for me.
Maybe you've never been give a 'logically consistent' answer because you will only accept the one you want.
DeleteArtists and musicians and poets do art, music and poetry usually for money.
People dance because it's a group bonding (and sexual) activity and humans are social animals.
There is no evidence to support the idea that supernatural entities are involved in any of these things, and any theory which includes one will inevitably be unfalsifiable (therefore unscientific) and infinitely less vicarious than one which doesn't, because it will also need to explain where the supernatural entity came from and how it causes the effect under scrutiny.
The question is why do we appreciate these. What evidence can you provide that this can't be explained at the result of a natural process to do with psychology and human memetic evolution, and so a supernatural entity must be the cause?
When you've provided that we can go on to discussing how you determined all the possible supernatural causes then eliminated them all except one, to arrive at one particular one. (I'm assuming, if you believe a specific god was the cause, you have already done that and haven't just believe it because someone told you to without telling you why you should).
I'm not sure why the supernatural was brought into this discussion at this point, seeing as neither one of us made an argument that would lead logically to such a conclusion.
DeleteMy question was indeed why we appreciate such things as art. And if science, which is the study of what is observable by the senses or discoverable through the application of mathematics, cannot provide an answer, then it is necessary to use pure reason to arrive at one. Even with physical evidence for something, one still must use his mental faculties to demonstrate why that evidence actually proves anything. If a person claims that nothing physically unobservable is real, then he reveals a materialistic epistemology, which must itself be proved before he can argue from it. Therein lies the issue. What physical evidence can you give to prove that physical evidence is the only means of proving a conclusion? I posit pure logic must enter the conversation at that point.
Having said that, I return to the original question. Why do humans appreciate art? Not just why do they do it, but why do they appreciate it? I've known artists who have said they will write poetry or paint pictures that they'll never show anyone, so there is your tangible evidence that humans don't appreciate art as merely a social activity.
>What physical evidence can you give to prove that physical evidence is the only means of proving a conclusion?<
DeleteI live in a real universe, not a fantasy one I think I made myself. I just don't think I'm important enough or powerful enough to create realities.
Mind you, it's always fun watching someone try to convince you there is no such thing in reality in order to justify their belief in a creator of it.
Was this an answer to my question (please don't read that sentence believing it to be irritated, I'm just genuinely unsure)?
DeleteYes, of course it was.
DeleteYou asked a deliberately unanswerable question.
What evidence can you give that there is some other reality, as clearly implied by your question?
And what evidence can you give that aesthetic appreciation can have no possible natural cause, which is the only reason to go looking for a cause in some other reality in the first place?
As I said, I live in the real universe, not a fantasy one of my own creation.
Well first of all, asking someone to prove the existence of a nonphysical reality using physical evidence commits the same fallacy as a person asking someone to prove the existence of a particular apple using abstract argumentation. Neither can be done, because the realm of each conclusion is infinitely removed from that of the propositions.
DeleteBut whether you use physical evidence or abstract argumentation to prove a conclusion, the common factor in both proofs is logic.
I'd argue that aesthetic appreciation can never be scientifically explained. Even if certain areas of the brain show activity when the subject is artistically delighted, such activity does not demonstrate logically why the subject experiences delight, nor can it.
In other words, you don't accept the reality of the universe you live in.
DeleteIn that case, I doubt an intelligent conversation about anything worthwhile could be even remotely possible.
But I expect that's the sort of 'logic' you need to justify belief in the creator of a reality you think doesn't exist.
>I'd argue that aesthetic appreciation can never be scientifically explained.<
Except in terms of psychology, memetic evolution and neurophysiology, all of which you've somehow managed to convince yourself don't exist so you can safely ignore them and arrive at the conclusion you wanted.
I didn't say they don't exist.
DeleteI said they explain only the the physical manifestations of a phenomenon, not why the phenomenon--namely aesthetic appreciation--occurs.
To say that certain synapses cause admiration of a painting is analogous to saying that sneezing causes colds. It's a matter of causal mix-up: calling a material cause a final cause.
Aren't you ever embarrassed by the mental gymnastics you need to perform so you can fit your imaginary friend into imaginary gaps and so pretend to yourself that its a real one?
DeleteAnd out comes the ad-hominem.
DeleteThat wasn't ad hominem but well done for finding an excuse to take offence rather than deal with my point.
DeleteOf course, the fact that the designed watch is distinguished, in his own analogy, from the heathland itself, kind of answers his own question from him.
ReplyDeleteThis entire post could use itself to argue against itself.
ReplyDeleteThere is no reason for creation whatsoever, therefore it is much like the watch sitting in the middle of nowhere.
I have failed to be impressed by the argument for simpler reasons.
ReplyDeleteIf we see a watch, it looks designed, therefore there must be a designer. If we see heathland around the watch, it does not look designed, so why would we assume it has a designer? If we assume that it too must have a designer, the whole argument is a bare assertion fallacy: everything is designed. Unless someone can prescribe means to distinguish between designed and undesigned things, and then show that undesigned things necessarily must have a designer, the argument fails trivially.
The entire argument from design was refuted by Darwin and Wallace in 1859. Only those who can't or won't understand Evolution by Natural Selection can possibly imagine a superficial appearance of design means there must be a designer.
DeleteThe fact is that a well-understood, entirely natural and unintelligent process can and does account for the appearance of design in self-replicating entities.