Tuesday, 20 March 2012

Creationists' Macroevolution Lie

Chaffinch Fringilla coelebs
Bullfinch Pyrrhula pyrrhula
Linnet Carduelis cannabina
Goldfinch Carduelis carduelis
Crossbill Loxia curvirostra
Siskin Carduelis spinus
Okay, let's look at the difference between so-called macroevolution and microevolution with a little mind experiment. There will be a questions at the end, so make sure you keep up as we go along.

Suppose we have a species of finch living in Europe before the last Ice Age and living on, say, various small seeds, pretty much as the goldfinch does now.

The shape and strength of this finch's beak will be determined by a few genes. Maybe one controlling the size and another controlling the muscles which work it. It really doesn't matter for our mind experiment exactly how many or what each does, we can think of them collectively as a 'beak gene' so long as we remember we are using the term 'gene' here as a shorthand for maybe a collection of genes.

As with any other gene there will be slight variations which will be inherited by offspring and which may make the beak better or worse at eating this or that food.

Now, imagine the ice sheets gradually extending from the north as the Ice Age sets in, and pushing the finch's range south, together with some of its food plants, some of which may well become extinct in the process, forcing the finch to adapt to other foods. Also, as its range moves south it may come into contact with new food plants which weren't available in the north.

Our finch will eventually find itself split into two or three isolated populations: one in the Iberian Peninsula; one in Italy and maybe a third in the Balkans, each with its own distinct mixture and availability of different foods.

These food plants will also be adapting, driven by the presence of our finches. Those seeds which have a harder case won't get eaten and so will produce more offspring with those harder seed cases than the soft-cased seeds and the finches with stronger beaks will be able to eat them, so the beaks will tend to get stouter and stronger. So we may have an arms-race developing in, for example Italy which leads to finches with short, strong beaks good at cracking seeds.

Meanwhile in Iberia, another food plant may be be more successful if it can protect its seed at the end of a tube which only the finches with the thinnest beaks can reach, so another arms-race may develop in which the winning finches are those with long, curved beaks.

And maybe in the Balkan Peninsula another arms race has produced finches which didn't need to change much from the original finch.

Now, thinking back to our 'beak gene': all that has happened in our three populations is that variations in this gene have been selected by the different environments in what creationists would call microevolution. Small steps at a time with each generation being filtered by the environment by natural selection so that gradually, and in line with changes in the finches' environments, differences have arisen in the three populations as each had adapted and become specialised for that populations environment. In one population one set of variant will have come to dominate in the gene pool; in another population, a different set will dominate.

Now, have we got three different species, three races of the same species, or three different subspecies? In fact, at that point in the finch's evolutionary history the question is entirely academic and of no biological significance whatsoever because the populations can't interbreed anyway, being physically isolated.

The test will come when the ice retreats and the populations move north again, together with their food plants. If their food plants don't extend their range northwards than the finches might not either, even if they could. But let's assume they do so.

Let's assume also that the only change in their genomes has been in the 'beak gene'. Admittedly, this is unlikely because other environmental factors will have been moulding other genes which will also be microevolving, but, to illustrate a point, let's just stick with the 'beak gene'.

If that has been the only change than the populations would almost certainly be able to interbreed, so at that point in their evolution they would at best be varieties or maybe subspecies, but what sort of beak would their offspring have? The probability is that they would have some sort of intermediate beak. But what use is an intermediate length stoutish beak when you need to reach seeds at the end of a long, thin tube? What use would it be for cracking tough seed husks?

What we would now have is an environment in which the offspring of those finches which DID interbreed were being selected out by starvation whilst anything which acted to prevent interbreeding would be highly favourable and so variations such as different display plumages, mating rituals, territorial songs, etc., which made interbreeding less likely would be favoured. As with 'beak genes', genes allowing interbreeding are now being selected against and variations of those same genes which inhibit it are being selected for, so changing their frequency in the respective gene pools, just as happened with 'beak genes' because of a different set of environmental forces.

There is another small point here which is worth mentioning. Any 'information' in genes which promote or inhibit interbreeding would have been entirely meaningless before the populations came into contact again. Because there could have been no such thing as interbreeding even calling them genes for or against interbreeding would not have made any sense. They only acquired meaning and so became genes for or against it because of a change in their environment and that change was partly the presence of other genes in their gene pool - the different variations of 'beak gene'. There was no change in the amount of information in the genome but its meaning had radically changed.

In this way, eventually, and probably quite quickly in geological terms, we would have two or three populations of different finch 'species', as defined by taxonomists because they don't normally interbreed. They may well be physically capable of interbreeding still and might do so in captivity.

Now for the questions:

What evolutionary change was involved in this speciation which was in any way different to the microevolutionary changes which caused the variations in beak shape and size?

If you can find one, what biological or environmental mechanism exists which would make that impossible?

These questions should be extremely easy for creationists who insist that microevolution is possible but not macroevolution, because, presumably, they can distinguish between these with ease and understand the mechanism well enough to explain why it can't happen.

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  1. Very nicely done. Unfortunately, the creationists will call both speciation and subspeciation "microevolution." Their version of macroevolution is dinosaur to bird, and no matter much evidence is presented, they will just shrug it off. In short, their minds are made up; don't bother them with the facts.

    1. I don't think I'll ever understand the mindset of people who need to lie to themselves about science in order disbelieve it. In fact, it's difficult to think of what benefit this ability conveys on its carriers for it to have evolved in the first place, which is why I lean towards the pathological memetic virus explanation for religions.

  2. Excellent article , Rosa.

  3. Exellent article. I've just discovered your website via the NCSE. I think Mark is right. The standard creationists response will be that they are still finches. They might point out that animals reproduce after their own 'kind'. Doesn't make any sense, but that's my guess.

    1. Yes, but their standard response to this argument is to re-redefine 'macro-evolution' so they can exclude the example of it happening that you've just given them. You'll never get them to explain the mechanism they proclaim to be impossible though.

  4. Hi Rosa,
    I have dealt with some Creationists who state that evolution is only "partly" true because, while there is an abundance of evidence for micro-evolution, there is none for macro-evolution except for mere speculation or "wrong" interpretation of results from scientists . However, they do not claim that macro uses a different mechanism than micro.
    Based on my knowledge of evolution, the terms micro and macro were loosely used by some scientists to identify small changes (micro) and changes at the species level i.e. speciation (macro). Also, strictly speaking, evolution is basically a variation in the genetic composition of a population of organisms over time.
    As such, what are your thoughts on the whole micro vs macro evolution debate and is there any "solid" evidence to support "macro" evolution? Am I misunderstanding something?

    1. My blogs Giving The Lie To The Macro-evolution Lie, The Good Shepherd's Purse Is Bad News For Creationists, Where Creationists Get Confused, Why Species? and Ring Species - Evolution in Progress deal with this. I'm also working on a blog about speciation and why it not always possible to say exactly when speciation occurred or to identify a single speciation event, or even to know that speciation has occurred until many years, centuries even, after the event.

  5. There was no macroevolution in your example. They were still the same species, regardless of what some biologist might say. If they can interbreed (whether or not they generally do doesn't matter) then they are the same species. You just helped to prove creationists right. Thanks

    1. Would you like now to explain to the readers why you have had to try to get away with redefining the term 'macroevolution'? Or have you redefined the term 'species'? Or are you really so ignorant as to imagine a genus is the same thing as a species? Either way, when you show the world you know you need to lie for your faith, you show the world you know your faith is a lie that requires people to believe falsehoods. Why do you need people to believe falsehoods, please?

      BTW, if you intend to post more falsehood on this blog, can you also have the courage and personal integrity to reveal your identity instead of hiding behind a cloak of anonymity?

      But thank you for helping to show how Creationism requires both ignorance and dishonesty.


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